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December 18, 2007
HGH Defense

Fernando Vina uses the injury defense in admitting to HGH usage:

Former major league infielder Fernando Vina on Monday admitted using human growth hormone in 2003 as he attempted to heal from injuries.

Vina, now an ESPN baseball analyst, was named last week in the Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs. The report said he also purchased steroids from ex-New York Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, but Vina denied those claims.

Vina also said the HGH didn't work. Vina came back from his injury in 2003 and went 20 for 87, a .230 batting average. The more I hear about HGH, the more it seems it's snake oil the steroid dealers sold players after testing started. It was banned, so it must work, and you can't test for it. Money for nothing.


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As J.C. Bradbury, the Baseball Economist, noted on his Sabernomics blog - http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/04/i-dont-worry-about-hgh-in-baseball-and-neither-should-you - exercise physiologist professors discredits the idea that HGH helps athletes in any way for performance, it's main effect is muscle definition, which is important to weight lifters and wrestling stars, I suppose, but not so much to professional sports players, like baseball players.

So yeah, it appears to be a snake oil added onto the bill to get more money out of the cheaters.

Posted by: obsessivegiantscompulsive at December 18, 2007 10:16 AM

Come on guys. Just because someone takes it and isn't that good, doesn't mean it's useless.

Gabe Kapler was the most ripped guy in the majors, but was a mediocre hitter with marginal power his whole career. Are you going to say this whole "lifting weights" thing doesn't help hitters either? Neifi Perez practiced hitting every day growing up, and yet he's a sucky major league hitter. Is "practicing" just snake oil as well?

Wade Boggs ate chicken before every game. If I ate chicken, could I turn into the greatest hitter an entire decade's ever seen?

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2007 11:59 AM

Looks like "I was using HGH to recuperate from an injury. I never used steroids," is going to be the standard excuse.

How many times have we heard that since Friday, now?

Posted by: glenn at December 18, 2007 01:41 PM

Mike, it's a body of evidence thing. As in, there isn't any to support that HGH helps performance. You are right that just because someone takes it and isn't any good doesn't mean it's useless. However, the implication there, that it is useful, just doesn't pan out. It simply has not been shown to help performance. See obsessivegiantscompulsive's link above. And we're seeing now that the anecdotal evidence says it doesn't help.

And as for 'Is "practicing" just snake oil as well?': Cherry picking counter examples, rather than looking at the body of evidence has led to the silliest comment I've ever seen here.

Posted by: Marty at December 18, 2007 01:47 PM

My point exactly. People cherry pick examples about HGH and claim its useless. It's confirmation bias - the hypothesis is that it's not performance-enhancing. Someone cites a couple studies that say it doesn't increase raw strength, and therefore concludes it doesn't enhance performance. See the issue here?

Even if HGH never helped Pettitte throw a baseball harder, or with more break, or whatever... if it allowed him to get back to game shape faster than he otherwise would have, that's enhancing performance. That's extra IP, Ks, Ws, etc, that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten.

Fine - you guys have made your point that there's some studies out there that show HGH doesn't have the magical muscle-building properties that the average fan seems to believe it has. Now let's see if you can show me studies demonstrating that HGH doesn't help muscle/tendon/ligament recovery.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2007 02:35 PM

Mike- by that logic we should ban cortisone shots, TJ surgery, penicillin, etc.

Posted by: SleepyCA at December 18, 2007 05:14 PM

Sleepy,

I think you're at the heart of it: Where do we draw the line? Chemicals that help you increase the results of workouts are cheating, but having surgery to strengthen your arm isn't? Sounds like a medical enhancement to me...

Posted by: WeWanttheFunk at December 18, 2007 06:50 PM
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