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Baseball Musings
December 31, 2007
Goose Looking Good

Here's another Hall of Fame vote for Goose Gossage. Grant does use the weaselly argument to keep McGwire off the ballot, however:

For me, McGwire's case is singular. It all comes down to home runs. Yes, he has 583 homers and currently ranks eighth on the all-time list, but I suspect he'll be out of the top 10 within five years. While I have no proof that McGwire used steroids, I must consider the possibility of inflated stats in the steroids decades (1995-2004). In the previous decade (1985-94), McGwire ranked seventh in homers. In the steroid decade, he ranked eight. Guess the question is: Will his homer total stand the test of time. Good question: It hasn't been 25 seasons since McGwire first broke in, that won't happen until 2010. But since 1986 (McGwire's first season), McGwire currently ranks only fourth behind Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Ken Griffey Jr.. Four other active players are within 100 homers of McGwire. It's conceivable that among his "contemporaries," McGwire may not end up in the top 10. If your case is built on home run ability, then you better be at the very top of the list.

McGwire combined the ability to get on base with the ability to hit home runs. He wasn't Dave Kingman. I'm perfectly fine with writers not voting for McGwire because they believe he used steroids. Trying to find a statistical reason not to vote for Mark, however, is simply looking for an excuse so you don't have to deal with that issue.


Posted by David Pinto at 09:49 AM | All-Time Greats | TrackBack (0)
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know who is the last position player to amass fewer than 1700 career hits and be voted into the HOF (not by the Veterans Committee)?

Posted by: Geoff Young at December 31, 2007 01:04 PM

There are alot of players in the Hall who were in different leagues or who got in by some other means. Gary Carter had about 2000, but he was a great catcher. Bill Mazeroski is in there for a home run and some webgems.

Joe Tinker (deadball)
Johnny Evers (deadball)
Mickey Cochrane
Hank Greenberg
Buck Ewing

just to name a few.

For McGuire, on the plus, he can compare to Hank Greenberg... on the minus, pre 1997 hes more Dave Kingman. And Jackie Robinson only had like 1500 hits so its not a terribly accurate reflection of skill.

Posted by: Andrew at December 31, 2007 01:59 PM

It's good to see The Under-Appreciated Dave Concepcion getting a little HOF support. I suspect he'll fall far short of the necessary votes, though.

Posted by: David Mullet at January 1, 2008 11:34 AM

Thanks, Andrew. Robinson was 28 years old when he broke into the big leagues. Greenberg missed a few years due to the war; he's actually not a bad comp for McGwire. True about total hits and skill. My question was aiming less at measuring skill and more at trying to understand how the voters have judged these guys in the past.

Posted by: Geoff Young at January 1, 2008 03:04 PM
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