Category Archives: Team Movements

May 3, 2010 April 29, 2010

Moving Out of St. Petersburg

It appears the Rays are not married to keeping the team within the physical limits of St. Petersburg. The team thinks people from Tampa are just not willing to cross the bridge, even if they build a new stadium:

But in a rare moment of candor last year, Silverman showed how they feel since they won the 2008 American League pennant. He spoke after a lightly attended World Series rematch with the Philadelphia Phillies.

“When we’re near the bottom of the major leagues in attendance on a night with a special match-up, it shows how far away we are from the league average,” he said. “It just doesn’t feel good.”

Nobody favors a new stadium until the economy improves, Nurse said, but “I’m more worried about some other city if this doesn’t get resolved.

“If the Rays do fabulously well and certainly go to the playoffs, if that doesn’t drive attendance up by a double-digit percentage, they have to shake their heads and say I guess nothing will drive attendance up,” he said.

“And then if I were the Rays, I would begin a conversation that maybe there is someplace else people would interested.”

The Rays put together a great team, and deserve to be supported. I wonder if they’ll move to Orlando at some point?

March 1, 2010

The Baseball World of New York

Matt Welch unloads on New Yorkers who think baseball ended when the Giants and Dodgers moved west.

I mean, hell, L.A. doesn’t even have one professional football team anymore, yet you don’t hear people like me complain that my very development was kneecapped by the eternally recurring loss of Nolan Cromwell. Yet here’s the MLB Channel last week, re-running that endless baseball shlockumentary from the awful (yet somehow awfully good!) Ken Burns, with its endless string of Stephen Jay Gouldses and Doris Kearns Goodwins decrying the horrid greed and childhood-murdering avarice of baseball owners who didn’t respect the Big Apple’s birthright to have 19 percent of all Major League Baseball teams compared to the western half of the country’s 0.

When watching this 16-year-old production, I was thinking “Well, at least most of these people are getting old and fading away, so maybe there will come a day when I don’t have to hear this anymore.” But reading Hamill’s latest I’ve come to the opposite conclusion: Boring New Yorkers who know squat-all about baseball will be trying to bum me out about the Dodgers and Giants when I’m on my deathbed, wrapping it all up in a bow of insufferable and inaccurate nostalgia that attempts to validate their mildly sad junior high school days by impugning the greatest-ever sport’s greatest-ever players: i.e., the ones playing right the hell now. With more passion even than Hit & Run readers who hate sports want to say to me right about now, I say to you, Pete Hamill: Enough!

I’m glad someone else wasn’t impressed with Baseball. Burns lost me when I realized his footage didn’t match his story. He’d show a player swinging in one park, then the ball sailing into the stands in another. I would rather have seen the show done in slide-show format like the Civil War.

January 25, 2010

Moving North

Via Rays Index, Peter Gammons brings up the idea of moving the Rays to the tri-state area:

The Rays haven’t been able to solve their venue issue. The Trop is stuck in a place that no one East of Tampa — such as the Orlando market — will drive to; a place Peter Ueberroth once said was only suited for tractor pulls; a market such that after its team won 97 games and the American League pennant, attendance and revenues stayed flat. There are smart people in the Major League Baseball offices wondering if there’s hope of even discussing a potential move of the Rays to New Jersey or Southern Connecticut over certain protests from the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox and Phillies.

Having grown up in southern Connecticut, I don’t think baseball will work there. New Haven and Bridgeport both tried teams, and they turned out to be fads. Attendance was great the first year, then dwindled. Maybe a major league team will be different, but you’re asking a lot of Yankees, Mets and Red Sox fans to change allegiance.

One thing in Connecticut’s favor is the venue. Bridgeport already has a minor league park with room to expand:


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The A tab on the map is Harbor Yard, which contains both an arena and baseball park. If you look at a larger map, you can see two parking lots across the street from the ball field. To put a major league team there, they’d likely need to move the footprint across the street into those lots.

The location is serviced by a rail line connecting New York and New Haven, Waterbury and Bridgeport. Likewise, highways meet at that point as well, so it’s easy to get there from the north, east and southwest. Someone could build a very nice 35,000 seat stadium on that spot.

The downside, it would be in Bridgeport. The independent league team there is already named after a fish (The Bluefish), but my guess is a major league teams would be named for the state. The Connecticut Yankees won’t work. I’m guessing they would be the Oaks, as CT is the Charter Oak State, although I wouldn’t mind the Robins (state bird). The Gunners wouldn’t be bad given the state’s history of arms manufacturing.

While I’d love to see a team in CT, I doubt it’s going to happen. If they want to move a team to that area, Brooklyn is the best bet.

March 30, 2009 September 22, 2008

New Town

Russ Smith writes that MLB should move the Florida Marlins.

Back in 1999, while on a trip to Miami, my older son and I did go to a Marlins game, and with the possible exception of the now-abandoned (again) RFK Stadium in Washington, DC, I’ve never been to a worse venue for baseball. Not only did it take an hour to get there from our South Beach hotel, but also there couldn’t have been more than 2000 people in the stands, and most of them were entirely bored. So sure, if the team’s owners can bamboozle the state into a risky deal–there’s been no indication so far that businesses would pop up in Little Havana and thus jobs created, justifying (sort of) the burden on the pockets of residents–a half-hearted mazel tov is in order. But in today’s economic climate, I find it hard to believe that this transaction will ever be completed, and meanwhile, while MLB continues to sock away immense revenues, the Marlins players and their tiny base of fans will be left to flounder.

He lists some cities where the Marlins might do better. Of those, San Antonio is my favorite, although no one ever talks about Nashville.

January 25, 2008 September 30, 2007 May 29, 2007

Remembering Brooklyn

Alfred Kelly wants to see a commemoration of the Dodgers’ move away from Brooklyn:

This year, quite appropriately, Major League Baseball honored the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson’s debut as a Dodger. Somehow, baseball should acknowledge the 50th anniversary of our beloved Bums’ move West.

In another 20 years or so, there will be very few people who remember the Brooklyn Dodgers. I hope in the next expansion, MLB brings a team back to the burough.
Correction: Fixed typo.

November 6, 2006

Fremont Athletics

It looks very likely that the Oakland Athletics will move to Fremont:

I’m excited about the concept of a new stadium and what it could do to help the A’s in the long-term. I don’t think it means that they will be more likely to re-sign someone like Zito this year, but when some of the other contracts come up down the road, like Nick Swisher and Milton Bradley, perhaps the A’s open the wallet a little more. It also puts a little needle right into the Giants because the A’s are essentially moving right next door to where the Giants draw the majority of their fanbase. The tide may turn in the Giants/A’s casual fan battle just by simple geography.

Correction: Fixed spelling of Fremont.

May 16, 2006

No Team in San Antonio, Yet

FishStripes notes the end of the San Antonio deal to host the Marlins. He also notes that MLB is now very interested in putting a team in the Texas city:

If a deal can’t be struck in Hialeah, San Antonio will most likely be the front runner for the team’s new home.
Okay, that isn’t altogether a shocker though I can think of three better locations. But what is surprising is: since when did Major League Baseball start being upfront with possible relocation cities?
I can’t remember ever seeing this before.
All I can conclude is San Antonio played this like masters. Putting up an offer – setting a deadline and being open if MLB and the Marlins really want to move to the city in the future.
I must say: well done San Antonio.

Indeed. Unlike Portland or Vegas, San Antonio refused to be used as a pawn and put a legitimate deal on the table. It appears that MLB respects that.
Update: Sorry, I forgot to include the link before.

May 11, 2006 May 9, 2006

Athletics to Fremont?

According to this article, the Athletics are close to a deal for a new stadium in Fremont, California. That’s about 30 miles south east of Oakland.
The site is just off I-880, called Pacific Commons. Here’s the aerial view of the site, although this doesn’t show the current development. For more, check out this photo essay of the possible sites in Fremont from the The New A’s Ballpark blog.
One economist sees Oakland as the big winner in all this:

Oakland could be the biggest winner of all if the A’s actually do move to Fremont, according to Porter, the economics professor.
“If the A’s keep the name ‘Oakland’ when they move, Oakland gets the best of all worlds,” Porter said. “They don’t have to spend millions to build a stadium, they don’t have to give up land for a huge stadium that would be vacant for all but 81 days a year, and they would still keep the name recognition.”

Stay tuned.

April 20, 2006 April 18, 2006

San Antonio Deadline

FishStripes rounds up the news on the deadline imposed by San Antonio on the Marlins. The Texas City wants an answer by May 15th.

I don’t see anyway MLB and the Marlins will be able to meet this deadline. If the city really thinks pressuring the two is going to cause them to bat an eye, they are sadly mistaken.
I don’t know if San Antonio is setting a quick deadline because they want out or if they don’t understand how slowly things move within baseball.

I bet they’re setting the deadline because they know exactly how slowly things move in baseball, and they don’t want to be jerked around like Portland or Las Vegas. They don’t want to be a pawn to get the Marlins a better deal in south Florida. They want the team. If the team doesn’t want them, they won’t be leverage. Good for San Antonio.

March 24, 2006 March 21, 2006

Marlins on the Move

Fish Stripes looks at the latest news on a possible move by the Marlins to San Antonio and makes a snide comment about Nolan Ryan. After quoting Ryan on the viability of a team in the Texas city Craig writes:

With all due respect to Mr. Ryan, I don’t remember reading his work in the field of economics in the AER or the QJE. But maybe I missed a few issues of the journals.

Nolan Ryan is a banker.

Following his retirement, Nolan was able to further pursue his business ventures. He is the majority owner and Chairman of the Board of The Express Bank in Alvin and Danbury, Texas, and owns Nolan Ryan’s Waterfront Restaurant and Bass Inn near Three Rivers, Texas. Nolan also owns and operates several cattle ranches in South Texas. In May of 1998, he joined his son Reid and a group of investors in bringing a professional baseball franchise to Central Texas by purchasing the Jackson (Miss.) Generals, a Houston Astros Double-A affiliate, and moved the team to Round Rock, Texas.

So maybe he doesn’t have a degree from Harvard Business School, but I bet Nolan knows something about demographics and economics, or at least has some people working for him who can inform him on the subject.
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March 3, 2006

Deep in the Heart of Texas

San Antonio appears to have it’s act together in attempting to lure the Marlins:

Wolff’s proposal follows the same plan used to build the AT&T Center for the San Antonio Spurs, which opened in 2002 at a cost of $189 million.
Voters in 1999 approved increases in the hotel-occupancy and car-rental taxes to finance the county’s $146.5 million share. The Spurs provided the rest of the funding, including $41 million from the arena’s naming rights.
Wolff said voter approval would be needed to refinance the bonds, pay off the AT&T Center debt early and use new bonds to pay for a baseball stadium. The plan would not incorporate sales or property tax, he said.
The Marlins would choose the site for a stadium.

If California can support five teams, Texas can certainly support three. Wolff speaks as if this would be an easy issue to get by the voters. Can anyone from San Antonio comment on that issue? Usually, when a team picks a site for a stadium, the neighbors try to move it somewhere else.
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March 2, 2006

Oh for Two

The City of Anaheim lost again:

A judge rejected a request Thursday by the city of Anaheim to force the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to change their name back to the Anaheim Angels.
Orange County Superior Court Judge Peter J. Polos ruled that he had no authority to reverse the ruling of a jury that three weeks ago decided in the team’s favor.

Good for judge Polos. A jury trial should not be easily overturned at the whim of a judge. I guess the city can try an actual appeal now, but they need to remember that three strikes and they’re out.
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February 21, 2006

Renaming the Team

There may be a problem with continuing to call the Washington franchise the Nationals.

According to a report in The New York Times on Tuesday, the United States Patent and Trademark Office granted a request for federal trademark registration on the name Washington Nationals to Bygone Sports last week. The Cincinnati-based company, which specializes in historic trademarks and sports apparel, applied for the trademark in September 2002.
According to the Times, Major League Baseball, aware of Bygone Sports’ claim to the Washington Nationals name, thought it had reached an agreement with the company for the name’s rights when the franchise was moved from Montreal in 2004.

It all comes down to whether an oral agreement is binding. My suggestion for a name is here.

January 18, 2006

Marlins Move?

Fishstripes heard a rumor about the City of Hialeah coming up with the money to build a stadium for the Marlins. I find nothing on Google News. Did anyone else hear this?
When my sister was born, my mother wanted to give her a name that didn’t lend itself to a silly nickname. She named her Leah. When she brought her home from the hospital, she put her in a cradle in the living room. My two cousins and I gathered around the cradle, waved and chanted, “Hiya Leah, Hiya Leah, Hiya Leah!” One of my parent’s best friends, who likes to play the ponies says, “Hiya Leah, how are things at the race track?” whenever he sees her. Needless to say my mother failed in her quest.

January 10, 2006

First Date Goes Badly

David Samson described his meeting with Portland mayor Tom Potter as a first date. If so, I don’t think Samson will be getting another:

Mayor Tom Potter said Monday he has a “very strong sense” that most Portlanders don’t care about landing a major league baseball team and reiterated his position that the city will not help finance a ballpark for the Florida Marlins.
Potter spoke after meeting with Marlins president David Samson and other team officials, who are touring potential new homes for the franchise.
“My concern is that Portland is facing a crisis is education,” Potter said. “That’s my top priority, to find funding for that. And I expressed that today.”

Maybe Samson thinks Potter is just playing hard to get. 🙂

January 7, 2006

House Hunters

The Florida Marlins will visit Portland, Oregon Monday as they look for a new home.

Upon hearing of Florida’s relocation interest a month ago, baseball proponents in Portland sent the team a copy of the presentation they made to Major League Baseball during the Expos’ relocation process.
Outlined in those materials is a finance plan that has a much greater gap than the Marlins face in Florida but one that proponents hope will serve as a starting point for serious negotiations down the road, with the Marlins, the Oakland Athletics or some other franchise.

I’ve been to one game in Portland. It was on a Monday night, and the game was very poorly attended. The current stadium was recently renovated, and some nice astethics, and was easy to reach by public transportation. The game was very exciting, but despite all that only a handful of people showed.
There are a lot of minor league cities that do better than Portland. Why not put a team in Louisville, KY? They’ve had great attendance for years.

December 19, 2005

San Jose Athletics?

Ray Ratto reports on a potential soccer deal that may lead to the Athletics building a stadium in San Jose:

Then suddenly, the A’s put out a news release announcing that (you cannot make up this stuff, I swear) they would be very interested in owning said expansion team.
So you ask yourselves, “What? Who? Why?” That leads to the next question, “How unspeakably dim are these people?”
But because Fisher is nobody’s yutz, and Wolff can hear a piece of re-bar hit a snowbank at 1,500 yards, “unspeakably dim” isn’t the question at all. Earthquakes IV (after the indoor and outdoor Quakes of the old NASL, and Earthquakes III of MLS) need a stadium. The A’s want a stadium. The land for both is right near Sharksville.
Connect the dots, Marmaduke. The A’s are playing the leverage game.
You see, MLS teams make no money whatsoever. It’s a loss leader for Anschutz, who is so loaded that he has first call on money that hasn’t been printed yet, but as an investment for newbies, it’s right up there with soaking your cash with lighter fluid and rubbing two sticks together.
So Fisher couldn’t care less about the soccer team. But land, in San Jose, there for the stadiumizing … that, he could care about.

Buy a soccer team, get a stadium, knock it down and build one for your baseball team. Looks like the owner plays Moneyball, too.

November 22, 2005

Marlins Threatening to Move

There’s a link at MLB.com to a press conference by David Samson in which he says that a new stadium in Miami won’t happen. They’re looking at other sites in south Florida, but they’ve received permission from MLB to look into relocating the team.
These threats usually work. We’ll see if Miami and the state of Florida are intimidated by this.
Update: Here’s a summary story.

September 21, 2005 June 30, 2005

LAnaheim

I’m going to start referring to the city name of the Angels as LAnaheim. Every time I want to refer to the Angels by their place name I end up typing Anaheim, then having to change it. I never know, however, what to type instead. Los Angeles isn’t complete. Los Angeles of Anaheim is awkward. I sometimes do LA/Anaheim, but this is a bit shorter and makes fun of the whole naming debacle. So from now on, they’re the LAnaheim Angels here.

May 31, 2005

Got $300 Million

The Washington Nationals are officially up for bids. If you have a spare $300-$400 million dollars, it’s MLB has a team for you. Sounds like the current MLB owners are going to make a tidy profit. The Expos were sold to MLB for $120 million dollars. If they go for $400 million, the 29 other clubs will basically get to spilt $10 million in profit each. That’s enough for everyone to buy a front line starter for one year.

May 17, 2005 April 15, 2005